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well i've been making some slow but good progress on the diff upgrade.

so far i have made this jig, which will allow me to fit the commodore centre section into and then i will be able to weld it up with the right pinion angle etc.

so i started with this basic structure to hold the ends of the diff securely

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with that completed i then added a few extra supports and welded some old control arms to it which will ensure all the control arm mounts are located where they should be.

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now all i need to do is get some dyna bolts and bolt this thing to the floor (so i can be sure it doesn't move when measuring pinion angles). once i've done that i can remove the banjo centre section and put the commodore centre section in there and weld it all up.

once thats done i will be very happy... as it will mean i then only need axles custom made and to get my tailshaft upgraded to have the right rear uni for the commodore diff put on it and then i will be back in action!

and let me tell you its been hard not being able to give the car hell!!
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little more progress, i have cut up two diffs now so its all down hill from here hahahah either they work or i've stuffed two good diffs!

at this stage the centre is just sitting there, i am getting some tube today to slide inside the cut sections for perfect alignment and added strength.

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so hopefully in a few days time i'll have an order in for some billet axles and i'll be stoked.
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one phone call is all it takes sometimes to totally change things .....

i fired off an email to the axle place to sus out a price etc and the bloke wanted to talk to me and wanted some specific measurements, so i did all them and rung him back, he did some calcs and as he was reading out these axle lengths im thinking hangon that sounds the same as a stock vn axles .... so i left him thinking im going to get funds together and went to the shed.

for my long axle the VN shorter axle is spot on to the mm so i now only need one axle ... and from talking to people and wreckers etc it looks like a vl v8 or turbo commodore short axle is within 1-2mm of the short axle i need .... so now im trying to track one of them down and if so i can save myself $750 for a set of billet axles ...

if not im looking at $350 for a billet vl turbo short axle .....

so mixed results, but im slowly getting there....

this is the finished result of the diff housing with all the brackets on it and torana axle tubes.... very happy with the end result
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grand total so far is about $50 which will cover materials and welding gas/grinding costs etc and i just need one axle :) not bad for less than a weeks work!
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if you can get the parts you may even be able to sell them
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Thats quite a common thing to do when shortening a diff, to use the short axle as your long one and modify the long one to become the shortest one, if you get what I meen, Trev 8).
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yeah i do get what you mean but i've had bad experiences with cut down axles so has most people i talk to so i want to avoid that if i can.

ratbox, i have had that thought, if i could get my hands on vl turbo short axles for cheap enough i could do it ... i can get a billet one for $350 but i've have to sell the diff for atleast $450 - 500 to break even.
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does it have to be the turbo axle?
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well so far i have only found one option for a 28 spline commodore pattern axle that fits and its the short axle from a vl turbo/vl v8 ... if theres something else out there from another car that might fit then im sure it could be used, like a falcon one with re-drilled holes or something like that ....
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well i have finally got my vl turbo/v8 axle and it looks like its about 5mm too long which is fine because theres enough spline on there to cut 5mm off the end and still get it in!! so im stoked.

this week has seen a flurry of activity with the diff getting assembled and so forth ....

left is short vnvp/vr/vs axle, right is the short vl turbo/v8 axle.
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one v8 4 pinion lsd with 3.45:1 ratio :)
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and last night saw the old diff come out and the new one go in ... only just sat in there at the moment to get tailshaft length ... so thats now in at the machine shop getting the chop and a vl commodore flange fitted to the rear of it to mate to the commodore yoke.
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so hopefully friday arvo i'll be back in action!!

an interesting note, the axles i pulled out of the old diff were also twisted probably halfway to the point of the other ones that did snap! ... and i was putting around to make sure i didn't break them!! makes me think, one good full throttle gear change and they may have left me stranded!

oh and the last pic was taken on my new shed slab, just waiting for the shed to arrive!!!! damn rain, i could use it right now!
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Post by Naughty »

great work on the diff , in that last pic that power cable looks pretty close to the liquid :shock:
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yeah your right, the weather was F@#$!D ... i tried my best to make sure the switches and plugs were up high!
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Doneski!!

full new bearings and seals in it, rebuilt by myself, i'm pretty happy.with the pinion angle changed it seems to have fixed the vibration it had over 100kms so im happy with that, also theres no whines etc and it got me to work today hahahaha...

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obviously i've painted it too :) ...

oh and the vl turbo/v8 short axle needed 5mm loped off the end and it fits perfectly ... so im on the lookout for a spare now :)

the change from 3.08 to 3.45 ratio has made a nice improvement and i think it suits my engine with the T700 better ... seems to drop out of lockup less often on hills etc which can only mean hopefully better economy!
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before i got to the obviously painted bit i was thinking jeeezz he could've give it a squirt of paint
re: ratios we had a 5ltr VN calais going by the trip computer it was better on fuel at 120kmh than it was at 100-110 by 1-0.5 litre per 100k's
my mates EH with injected 5ltr has 3.5 gears gets about 10L per 100k's the car he took the motor out of a VR only got about 13-14L per 100k's only things that changed was couple hundred kilos lighter more wind resistance and diff ratio change
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well i can already tell the fuel gauge is going down slower than normal ... its lifted the rpm at 100kms from 1900rpm to 2100rpm which is a bit more into my cams power range where as the 1900 is only just above the start of its power range ...

i think it will get me back where i was with the 5 speed and even still the 5 speed used to cruise at about 2300-2400rpm at 100kms :) gotta love modern gearboxes :)

its got a few minor things which i think are just a result of second hand parts in unknown condition etc but its a hell of alot better than the bango that was about to go bango :)
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well i have finally completed a project that i have been researching and slowly making progress on for atleast 2-3yrs....

some years ago i wondered about a better fuel injection system for the 202 than the current VK injection.

the vk injection works fine on a modified motor however due to its primative nature its very limited in what it controls (fuel only) and its not very adjustable.

so after hearing that a delco (i.e. vn commodore) computer and injection setup is what was needed i started researching how it was to work, biggest hurdles being the crank angle sensor and the throttle body.

so issue one, vk throttle body doesn't have the right sensors on it that the delco needs, people have adapted the sensors to it etc but i thought a better option was to get a vn throttle body flange grated onto my vk manifold... so thats what i did.

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so with that sorted and some holes filled and re-taped to suit vn sensors the manifold was ready to go.... which brought me to the crank angle sensor....

initially i thought a trigger on the flywheel was going to be a doable option, or holes in the flex plate etc but as it turns out while trying to get more information from Kalmaker on this setup i was advised that the best option would be to source a wiring loom from a JE Camira as these ran the delco computer and were pretty much the same setup but with a dizzy as the crank trigger and a computer controlled ignition module and coil...

beauty, so i got these new and proceeded to fit them to the blue 202 dizzy and motor ...

so first thing to do was to lock ALL the advance in the dizzy which meant dismantling it and welding the shafts together etc and removing all the weights and springs ... once that was done the only other thing needed was to connect the pickup coil in the dizzy to the camira ignition module...

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as you can see here the camira module is mounted on the bottom of the dizzy and the wires go up into the area where the old eletronic module was and connect to the two wires inside it.
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so after that i made a bracket to hold the camira coil in the same spot as the normal 202 coil would go and slightly modified the wiring loom to have the coil and ignition module connected to it....
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the only need for mods was because i could not find a camira loom anywhere so i just modified the vn v6 loom i already had.

you can also see in the above pic the oil pressure switch fits perfectly into the 202 oil pressure port, this is used to cut the fuel pump if there is no oil pressure.

so pretty much once i got all that done the loom was ready and all i needed to do was to wire the connector plugs up to some relays and it would be ready to start ...

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this is the little test board i came up with ... dad had to make the comment when he saw this in the engine bay "i hope your going to laquer that!"

so with that done i was able to turn the bottom of the dizzy and get the spark plugs zapping ...

from there this motor was put into the gemini (for that project it was going to be anyways) and used as my test bed ... to my amazement after modifying the computer to have the right crank reference angle the engine fired first go and ran (albiet VERY roughly)

so i spent a fair bit of time in the shed with the laptop and datalogging and tuning the gemini motor to get it as good as i could before then transferring the efi onto the torana.

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after
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please note there is some wiring to clean up still :)

so aside from the slightly different look of it all, there is also this main difference .... the air flow meter on the vk system in my opinion was a bit of a restriction ... this picture shows the different in intake pipe size - it has to help!
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so straight away once i had tuned it roughly (was really rich at wide open throttle) it was obvious that it was going better than the vk injection.

its only early days yet as i've only driven to work yesterday and today with it, but it does appear to be getting atleast as good economy if not better, a few full tanks will tell that tale.... but if nothing else its nicer to drive and FAR FAR FAR more adjustable and the fact that it controls the spark and the fuel means that its going to be a much more efficient package.

another small benefit of this computer is it controls the lockup of the torque converter in the T700 which i am currently doing with a vaccum switch and a mod to the wiring in the gearbox, so this will make it that much nicer again!

i have some videos of it first running and a few 0-100 runs if anyone wants to see them let me know and i'll give you the link, some are pretty big files though.
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