I thought the car was meant to start when you turn the key?

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I thought the car was meant to start when you turn the key?

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Gday Forumites,

Quick question for you:

HG Prem drives like a dream. Starts fine for weeks and weeks, then one day you park it for 10 mins, come back to it, and it decides that it doesn't want to turn over. Dash lights dim etc, but no starter motor action? Come back a few hours later/ the next morning and it starts first turn?!

Annoying, and making me not want to drive the thing as I don't know if it will start if I turn off the ignition.

Any tips? Starter motor getting hot or something? It did it once before (3 months ago) and it turned out to be a dicked neutral safety switch, so I bypassed it. Now, it seems that the problem is back, well it wasn't starting on Saturday after visiting my great Aunt. The annoying thing is, my Mum said don't take the HG it will break down! Damn it, why is she always right?!

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Underbonnet heat build up can affect the performance of electrical devices including starter motors especially after a good run the heat transfer to a starter especially in summer can make the starter very hot when the car sits for a period of time after a run.

You would often see people years ago pouring cold water over hot starters to get them to start after a run in hot weather.I've had to do it myself with an XD Fa#*&n years ago that just wouldn't start after a run when it was hot.I always carried a couple of bottles of water to pour over the starter.

I eventually got hold of a starter heat shield which helped stop the problem.

Your problem may not be a hot starter and might be something else but the symptoms you describe sounds like it might be a hot starter.

Have you tried a process of elimination yet ??

That is, maybe try another starter motor that is in known working condition and see if the problem stays or is fixed.If not fixed,then look at other areas like wiring,switch,connections,battery etc.

I always try the least expensive and least time consuming fix when I am in a problem elimination search.
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FB MAD wrote: I always try the least expensive and least time consuming fix when I am in a problem elimination search.
I guess that would be carrying a couple of bottles of hot water to pour over the starter 8)
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:lol: :lol: that would do it

If it is heat soak (fairly common with extractors as the pipes sit closer to the starter motor) as Terry said a heat shield would help you could knock up out of alloy scrap
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Just went and tried to start it intending to go to a lecture - no cranking despite sitting under a tree all day long :x
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OK, sounds like it may not be hot starter syndrome then :? :? :? .

Try and find another known working starter and fit that and see how it goes.The old one might have a "sticky" solenoid and/or bad internal solenoid contacts maybe or could be "poling" internally which could also give lazy and/or infrequent starting problems.

You've gotta start somewhere with problem solving and you may as well try that one first I guess.

Like I said above,try the easy, less expensive avenues when you are trying to solve a problem that you aren't exactly sure what is the cause.That's how I do it.

As my old tech teacher used to say to me, use the "KISS " principle (" Keep It Simple Stupid" )

or was it "Stupid, keep it simple " :oops: :oops: :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Have you checked all the electrical fittings. Making sure battery through to starter is all nice and tight. Loose battery terminals and an aging battery can do funny things too.
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sometimes thatd happen with the ek...
something about starter motor not clicking back into place?

get a screwdriver, connect the two different points on the starter motor with the metal rod on the screw driver. Make it spark and u should hear a knock.. sound...

that re sets starter motor or something then go crankk
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Seems to have been caused by a dodgey immobiliser/ alarm. I took to the siren with scissors a few days ago ahah
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If it still happens, give the starter motor solenoid a couple of light wacks with some water pipe or some wood.

Amazing what it will fix.

Works on my EK and also on the HR. Thought I had a flat battery or a electrical short.
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You might need a relay on the starter solenoid. Often old wiring can give voltage drops like your'e experiencing.
A simple 12V 30A bosch relay wired in can switch full battery power to the "S" terminal.
The wire from the neutral sw to terminal 86 on the relay is the violet wire that WAS connected to the "S" term on the starter.
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Worth a go.
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