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Hi wot179, thanks for your question.

Thank you Trev, that is one of the reasons also :)

There are a few others as well. I will list the once mentioned an more ...


A. Colour and trim codes have the most interest to me in my research.

1. Colours can be most interesting, especially the rare "nitrocellulose/ Duco colours" (pre June 1960). There are colours I am yet to see and maybe they may turn up. Finding a rare original colour it cool though, It is exciting to see a tag (even on a colour changed car), that had a rare colour from the factory just the same. Finding some colours may prove impossible. This is also true of the many, many original "Holden fleet colours" that have all but disappeared. This should add value to these beautiful cars.

2. The most common main colours appear to have been Snowcrest White, Wedgwood Blue, Twilight Turquoise, Seagull Grey, Cameo Beige, Strata Blue and Honey Beige by the plates that have been kindly presented. There are also many colour combinations which have been lost.

3. Nitro/Duco (Pre June 60) colours such as Biscay Green, Buckskin, Royal Glow, Raphael Ivory, I am yet to see.

4. Acrylic/Dulon (Post June 1960) Colours as Ceramic Brown, Coast Ivory, Welland red, I'd love to see an original old finish.

5. Just as exciting as the early FB "nitro colours" (which had that small window of factory application), are the EK Vans and Utes produced at Holden on the same production line as the EJ Holden. The 1962 Paint choices I have seen so far, have been Pittwater Green, Katherine Beige, Silverton Grey, Cottesloe Cream.

6. Eventually we may end up with a register of many colour combination that we can rely on and enjoy.

7. The first three digits of the Trim code, relate to the paint or paint combo to inform the production line painters at glimpse the colour(s) to be applied. A full list of these codes will only be revealed with more ID plates added to the list or a lucky find in GMH records. I am happy to say the blanks are slowly being filled in.


B. Subframe numbers are very important to this list and tie the complete picture together.

1. The Utes and Vans produced during the EJ Manufacture, give us an excellent educated guess, at how many Vans and Utes were produced in total, and assembles in each state. These sometimes unique coloured vehicles, also offer a total production figure for each state of all EKs, as the vehicles still carried EK subframes.

2. Subfames numbers also give us an insight into the states such as Brisbane and Perth, which were not producing Bodies. These help once again with state to state sales figures comparisons.


C. Like subframes, Engine numbers run mostly sequential as the data collected is showing.

1. With this data we are collecting, cars that have had an engine replaced with as an EJ "J" prefix engine number, and "L" prefix FE - FC engine can try to track down and engine that may be close to there original if they so desire.

2. Engine numbers starting at B1001 for FB. A low engine number can offer a date reference if still the original motor. EK numbers at around B175000.


D. Body Numbers. A major source to acquire the build numbers of each shape and dress.

1. How many wagons did they make in standards and specials etc ....

2. What build number did the Nitro finish stop in each state.

3. Are there any proto-types or "No 1" build cars left? this exercise may offer a story or two or even a discovery. :)



ID Tags also offer some unique secrets like Auto's in standards, Army and other government vehicles, Stamping mistakes, etc.

Once we have a comprehensive list, all the above and many more things will come to light in a very clear and helpful presentation.

Thanks everyone for the help.

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Thanks for that,much appreciated.
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You are very welcome sir!
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Steve Jackson wrote:Sorry Trev, this is for my own notes :) I have to send the spreadsheet to Finny for formatting ....

Finny loves formatting the spread sheet .... ;)


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Trev wrote:
Steve Jackson wrote:Sorry Trev, this is for my own notes :) I have to send the spreadsheet to Finny for formatting ....

Finny loves formatting the spread sheet .... ;)


Steve

Still wouldn't mind seeing it! :D



Ok, I wasn't that clear was I ?

I type all the info on an xl spread sheet.

So I know where I am up to with data added to the sheet .... I made a post where the info recorded, to remind me :oops: (this post was for my own notes)

Once I send the xls sheet to finny, finny normally pastes it on the site for all to observe :)


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Steve,

I noticed that in the colour chart there are 'price groups' for paint. All the 'rarer' colours ie the reds are in price group 3 - maybe making them not as attractive due to cost as other paint colours...?

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Well, here is Rebecca.
1960 FB special sedan
Paint: Grecian White/ Apache Red flash
Interior: Mephisto and Chianti Red
Sydney dealer John A. Gilbert - Camperdown

ENGINE NO. B141464
CHASSIS NO. FB48623S
BODY NO. FB225-28880-S

ORIGINAL REGO: CGU-638

In my family since new

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Here's mine Steve

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What does it all mean ? and the No on inner guard in black on the yellow paper is it suppose to match the one on plate (decipher please)
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Hi Billy Black Arrow,

Body No FB-225-34066 S and Chassis No FB 568154 S = Approximately April 1961 Sydney Built car.

Trim 1st part = 667-883 plus paint numbers = 585-9592 Seagull Grey 585-9900 Cathay Grey.

Trim 2nd part = 667-883 Mephisto & Chianti Red with Stardust Grey Bolsters.

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Hi Steve
Can you please tell me what trim Rebecca has 633-815
Thanks

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rebecca60 wrote:Hi Steve
Can you please tell me what trim Rebecca has 633-815
Thanks

Gary

Hi Gary,

Body: FB 225 28880 S FB 48623 S = Approx Feb 1961.

Trim 1st code: 633-815 Plus Paint codes = 585-9562 Grecian White 585-9889 Apache Red.

Trim 2nd Code: 633-815 Mephisto & Chianti Red.

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Thanks very much Steve.
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Welcome, Welcome.

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