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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 2:40 pm
by Errol62
On to the front alignment. This is what I’m up against regarding getting enough room to insert more shins at the rear to get more caster and camber. Image
The brown spot is where I have beaten the inner guard in, or tried to. It is right above the top of the rear mounting cup. In the end I resorted to grinding down the edge of the control arm slightly.

Indicative readings on the driver fide do far, I have about 1/4* positive camber and 1* positive caster. Hence the need to make room to move the rear top in with more shims. The front has plenty of room as the control arm axis splays out, allowing the arms to be swept rearward. If I can’t get enough caster with shimming I will look at shortening the front spacer tubes and tilting the entire crossmember. There are already a lot of shims in there. I’m pretty sure the bottom control arms are stamped HR but need to check this.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 9:00 pm
by EK283
Hi Clay,
1* positive caster on a HR probably ok
-1* camber would be what i aim for or slightly less, maybe - 1/2*.

If you are saying +1/4* of camber with 4mm toe, that maybe the tyre chewer.

It will be good to see what you have on the other side.

Greg

Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2025 10:33 pm
by Errol62
I grabbed a pack of 1/8” shims from Repco this arvo that will work in with the 1/16” and 1/32” ones I have. Definitely want a degree of negative camber at least, and more caster if I can.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:18 pm
by Errol62
Best I can achieve driver side +1*10’ caster and -0*10’ camber. I will have to sacrifice some caster to get more camber and try and tilt the crossmember for more caster. Should be able to get another degree or two by doing that.


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Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 10:07 am
by Errol62
Lower control arms are stamped HR so that isn’t the issue. Ones on the ute are also HR stamped. I did discover that the other set I have for the van are not stamped HR though. I wonder why they were made shorter, and if there is a fix.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 1:03 pm
by Errol62
Passenger front wheel has about +1/2” camber, explaining the wear on outside. Image
Caster positive two which is helpful.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 2:26 pm
by ardiesse
Clay,

In my experience, the cause of tyre wear like you've shown here, is the car pulling to one side (to the left in your case). You have to provide steering input to make the car steer straight, leading to excessive slip angle and the characteristic "feathering" at the outside of the left front tyre. Positive camber does not in itself lead to this kind of wear.

You're doing your own front wheel alignment (kudos!). Set the front suspension up initially to the numbers you want. Then if the car tends to pull to one side, increase the caster on the side the car pulls toward (remove a thin shim from the front stack) and decrease the caster on the side the car pulls away from (insert the shim into the front stack) until the car steers straight. Removing and adding shims to the front stack has minimal effect on camber and toe-in.

Zero to +1/2 degree positive camber, +2 degrees caster should work well. You won't need much toe-in with +2 deg. caster.

Rob

Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:28 pm
by Errol62
Before I read any comments I’ll jot this down. Ready to roll at -1/2* camber both sides, +1.75* caster passenger side and +0.5*driver side. Checked the toe with string and left it at 2mm at most.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:29 pm
by Errol62
Ok Rob do you mean negative camber?


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 5:34 pm
by Errol62
Also, other side is also worn on the outside. So it is pulling both ways ie cornering.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:10 pm
by Errol62
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Test drive nicely but only went to 90. I will see if I can even up the caster though wasn’t pulling noticeably. If any thing slightly heavier turning right.


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Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 6:23 pm
by Errol62
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Driver side not as bad

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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 8:27 pm
by ardiesse
Clay,

If you're scrubbing out the outside of both front tyres, it means too much toe-in. You mentioned 4 mm toe-in: that'd do it.
You might have to set the camber closer to zero in order to get more caster on the driver's side without the upper control arm touching the subframe. It's all a compromise though. If the car steers straight, that's the main thing.

Rob

Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:02 pm
by Errol62
Thanks Rob. May have to try and tilt the subframe.


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Re: Elle’s 1960 FB 225 mild custom

Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 9:28 pm
by EK283
Hi Clay,
Having fun no doubt !
I would pull the caster back on the passengers side to +1*, that will give you a slight compensation for the road camber as we talked about before.
If you have -1* camber then see if you get the toe to 1mm or even zero. Take the car for a spin, and see if wanders left to right. If not youv'e got one pretty good wheel alignment.
If it does want to go left and right then 1mm more toe and that would be it.
Chasing caster more than +1* on a HR front is not really required, unless you want to throw it into corners.
You will also find the tyres might still wear because the compound changes the lower the tread wear usually, or they will stay the same and wear as they have already done. As Rob says the toe will chew because the tyre is continually rolling under itself as it moves forward.

Great to see your getting into it though.

Greg