22inch Ek

[kiid61]

Of corse your not trying to argue, thats not your style.... That diff is sitting as it will with the 22's (130mm sil to ground).. Low enough. But the diff could go higher.

We had to modify & re-construct the iner door arch to get it that low... As well as mofity the door

[mrs ratbox]

i was only making an observation that based on the pics it would need to come down quite a bit more to lay rail (sit on the ground for those unsure of the other term) 130mil is still quite a bit when yor talking sitting on the ground
i'm not saying it has to sit on the ground or that it has to be lower or higher than it is, just that based on the pics it won't sit on the ground even with smaller wheels unless the diff travels further up

[Bigbird]

I must be missing something here, but from what I can see if the photos show the set up at "ride height" you are going to have wheel tubs poking up through the bootlid just to clear the tyres when driving, let alone giving them somewhere to hide when you hit the down button.

You will also need a tunnel that you can rest your elbow on.

Oh, yeh, and then there is the front...

Don't get me wrong, I like big wheel and tyre combos, but that is why I own this one as well as 2 FB's





Time and place

[black duck]

hey big bird.after reading this topic thoroughly for the last couple of weeks, i have come to the conclusion that you are possibly one of the only people left on this planet that actually uses their personality for contraception........................ Instead of trying to bag the crap out of the kid , why dont you just let him try to acheive what he set out to accomplish and let the finished product speak for itself.

[macca4551]

hey big bird.after reading this topic thoroughly for the last couple of weeks, i have come to the conclusion that you are possibly one of the only people left on this planet that actually uses their personality for contraception........................ Instead of trying to bag the crap out of the kid , why dont you just let him try to acheive what he set out to accomplish and let the finished product speak for itself.

Finally someone that talks sense

[black duck]

yea thanks macca. we were all young once. let him live the dream and continue his project and commend him on the the progress he has made so far.his workmanship so far proves that he is not a dill and has got the guts to think outside the square and come up with something ( hopefully ) unique. if not at least he had a go. AND KIDD... KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK

[kiid61]

Cheers blackduck

Yeah thats cool RB, I know what your trying to say.... I have a good 630mm from the bottom of the sil to top of the tub.. a 19" wheels with 35profile tyres is around 620mm I think ( without looking into it or doing the math )... I don't want the car sitting on the ground anyhow. It looks good as it is and I'm happy....


Bigbird, your a twat.

[cplagarn]

For what its worth, ive also read this thread a few times and ive got to admire your commitment kiid, shows a certain strength of character to stick with your vision as well as take the good advise offered. Anyhow, Its a bloody entertaining saga, and when you pull it off I would also like to see bigtwat eat some humble pie

[Oldnblue]

I've totally stayed out of this one up until now. I've always thought rims like that wouldn't suit an EK/FB but hell I've got to admit, the shot of those suckers tucked up right under the rear guards looks really damn cool. I hope to hell you make this happen. Having very little hands on experience in such extensive mods, I've got absolutely no idea if it can work, but for some reason, I reckon you'll pull it off. I've watched enough guys in the hot rod and custom scene solve bigger problems than the ones you're facing...usually by thinking outside of the box.
I'd like to think that the incredible pool of knowledge on this forum could end up being used to help make unusual or difficult builds like this one a success.
And hell, what's the worst that can happen? It doesn't work and Kiid61 tries something else...

[Bigbird]

If it works I am more than happy to eat humble pie, is someone putting a time limit on this?

Just remember it is usually things like the maths (The bit you haven't done yet, the bit you can't get away from) that gets in the way.

Keep going, but you will need more that 10mm of clearance between the top of the tyre and the tub, also keep in mind that as the rear end articulates the tyres actually move in an arc due to the live axle and you will therefore need a fair amount of clearence between the tub and the back of the tyre as well as the front of the tyre and the lip of the guard.

I know I am raining on your parade, but it is the maths (more specifically the geometry) that is concerning me. This is something that catches alot of 4x4 guys out because they go and fit the biggest, fattest tyre combo that will fit the vehicle when it is parked. The problem is that as soon as they are off road and the damn things start articulating their live axles the tyres start to scrub into the body, rip at the lips of the guards on the outside and the suspension on the inside.

This is why these old cars had such generous clearence between the outsides of the tyres and the insides of the guards they had so much suspension travel to compensate for crappy, goat track roads.

Also remember we are only discussing the rear here, with a ball joint front end the tyre will take a more perpendicular travel however we must remember it was only in the mid 70's that Holden finally released a front end that kept the tyres flat on the road through it's entire travel.

This is not so much an issue when travelling straight, however when turning this will lift one guard up and further away from the tyre, it will lower the guard on the other side, brining it closer to the tyre. This happens to all vehicles, so you need to take this dynamic behaviour into account.

Whether you can fit this combo in a static situation is one thing, getting it to work in a dynamic form requires a different set of numbers, measurements and calculations.

All I am saying is that maybe now would be a good time to do some of that maths and geometry (where are you going to attach your suspension units, what angle are they going to sit at and how does this affect the behaviour of the overall system?)

Once again, more than happy to eat humble pie, as for the rest of you buying in...This twat can do the maths!

By the way kiid it's "You're a twat"

[kiid61]

cplargan, Cheers, It is rather funny, yes

oldblue, Thanks also. And your right, nothing bad can come from any of this....


Now Bigbird.... "You're" still a Twat but you do have a point. However, I can do math and I have done that math you speak of... Don't worry about tire flex on a 30profile tire, they dont move all the much, Yes on a 4wd wheel, There is a lot more rubber on these.. I know, they will move slightly and I've taken that into account.. How you see the rear now is as low as I will get. Once I make the chassis rails I will add bump stops to suit so there is to be no rubbing and I'll make sure the width is also not an issue. I have a good inch between the rail and wheel as it is.

Why does there need to be a time limit? I dont care how long this takes me and I'm certainly not going to rush it to simply prove a point I don't feel as tho I need to prove anyway.

And it's "you will need more THAN 10mm" Not "you will need more that 10mm"

[EKjimmy]

and off it goes again.
It's like a childcare centre or a pre-school...

[kiid61]

How so Jimmy?

No ones arguing here.... I'm certainly not anyway...

Like the wheels?

[EKjimmy]

Righto got the wrong idea then, my bad.

Hmm baiting me are ya?
Can't say i do mate, looks better than i expected but still ...ya know

[kiid61]

Tub templates.

Yes Jimmy, guilty haha