Harv's AMAL thread

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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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Errol62 wrote:Gee the water pump drive on that speedway motor, underdriven or what?

The Trevor Grace humpy looks cool. Love a racing humpy.


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Would that be because they’ve taken thermo out and just running a reticulation set up maybe? Keeping a more consistent temp?


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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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Ram tubes arrived this week, NOS stuff from MCA Aston in the UK. They are a screw-on deal to suit the funky air horn threads (1 5/8“-26 BSB). Filter socks ordered from Uniflow. Manifolds being made up by Pete Mallaby. Linkage bits arrived from Redline. Getting closer.

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Going on the FB Harv?

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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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Probably run them on the test-mule grey motor, on the engine cradle. That motor has had more carbs than an Atkin's diet.

I'm starting to get the basic design stuff down on paper for the FB meth-monster project so I can get approval-in-principle from the engineer. Had a good chat to Alien Retro and Hoppers Stoppers last week which solved some of the dilemmas.

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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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Like all carbs, Amals need to be fitted with an air filter to keep out dust, rocks, dropped nuts and small children. The air horn is fitted with a thread (which differs depending on Amal model). A pancake-type air filter assembly can be screwed on (similar to an SU), or a ram tube screwed on and a filter sock slipped over the tube. One thing to be wary of is that the factory grey motor Strommie vents the fuel bowl into the air horn (red circle on the diagram below), sucking in air DOWNSTREAM of the air filter. The Amal vents the fuel bowl to atmosphere via the tickler (green circle on the diagram below), sucking in air UPSTREAM of the air filter.

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Does this really matter? It does when you are trying to keep the carb in tune. The jets in both carburettors work because of a difference in pressure. The venturi in the carb throat reduces pressure, giving “suck” on the jets. The jets then flow because the “suck” is lower in pressure than the float bowl.

The diagram below shows how the Strommie pressures work.

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Air flows in (from atmospheric pressure), and some pressure is lost in the dirty air filter. More pressure is lost in the venturi (to make the “suck”). Because the Strommie vents the fuel bowl into the air horn, the float bowl sees air filter pressure loss, just like the carb throat. The pressure difference across the jet is thus (atmospheric pressure minus dirty air filter pressure loss) in the float bowl, and (atmospheric pressure minus dirty air filter pressure loss minus venturi loss) in the carb throat. When you subtract those two, the jet really only sees the pressure loss in the venturi i.e. no matter how dirty a grey motor air filter gets, the jets see the same "suck" and the mixture remains the same… just the airflow is blocked, and power reduced.

Now imagine that the Strommie was set up like an Amal, with the fuel bowl vented to atmosphere. This is shown in the diagram below, with the green lines acting like the tickler:

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Now the pressure difference across the jet is (atmospheric pressure) in the float bowl, and (atmospheric pressure minus dirty air filter pressure loss minus venturi loss) in the carb throat. When you subtract those two, the jet now sees the pressure loss in the venturi AND the pressure loss in the air filter. As the air filter gets dirtier, the jet sees more and more “suck”. This means that for our Amal, a dirty air filter will make the carb run rich (as well as losing power from low air flow).

The upshot of this is that when tuning Amals it is critical that the air filter is clean, whereas with a Strommie it does not matter so much.

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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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The Amal fairies came yesterday. Set of manifolds made up by Mallaby Sheet Metal. Pete is damn good at translating my VB carton CAD into stuff that works.

If the kids stop breaking cars for a few minutes, I’ll belt up the linkages.

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Nice Harv - some ceramic coat will bring them up mint


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Gabriel’s horns


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Making great progress there Harv ,Should make the ole grey spin quick. Regards Daz.
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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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The Amals have a slide that needs to lift up (instead of the butterfly used in Strommies). This is done through a Bowden cable, with the other end of the cable connected to the motorcycle twist throttle. For our grey motor Amals, we need some short runs of cable to connect between the slides and an overhead linkage. A couple of mountain bike gear change inner cables ($3 each) do the job nicely, with the excess length cut off them.

The motorcycle cables use the outer-cable and a set of adjustment nuts on the carb top to fine tune the cable slack. No need for the outer-cable or adjusters on the grey motor, as any cable slop can be taken out via the overhead linkage gimbals.


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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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Linkage and fuel lines...

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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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According to legend, the Amal needle and seat/float assemblies are only designed to be fed from a motorcycle tank... low pressure, gravity feed. The fuel pump from a car (3-4psi for a grey) is said to be too high for them. The racing humpy photos posted earlier show gravity tanks on the firewalls, presumably fed from the grey fuel pump with some type of float arrangement.

The jury is out on the Amal needle and seat/float assembly. I tested one with close to 3.5psi of fuel pressure, and it held. I'll do a bit more testing, but perhaps the new Viton needle assemblies hold a bit better.

Anyhoo, I figured an atmospheric tank would be good insurance either way. I took one of the alloy eBay washer bottles, and had-at-it with the Dremel. Drilled some holes, and put in some nutserts:

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This lets me bolt up a Holley float bowl:

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The Holley bowls are great in that they offer huuuuge needle and seats... no drama running alky if needs be :mrgreen: . The only drama with an atmospheric tank in the engine bay is that it needs to be vented. Some fuel hose tapped off the tank lid will do the trick, run down the firewall or inner guard to vent under the car. Need to be careful that the hose end is not in direct airflow, or it will vacuum out the tank contents (like the grey motor walking stick)... cut it off a few inches clear of free air.

There is a risk though that if the car rolls over, fuel will be spilt. To stop this, a simple rollover vent valve can be tapped into the top of the lid:

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The lid is thick enough to be drilled and tapped, letting the o-ring seal.

The bottom outlet of the tank can then be tapped for a fitting to feed the carbs. It is almost good enough for 1/4" NPT, but the original hole is slightly too big for the NPT tap... the NPT outlet tightens up, but not enough. I'll probably change this out to an ORB fitting later.

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Re: Harv's AMAL thread

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Very neat Harv

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